lolz, only DX players could argue the difference between cheating and not cheating, within a PC game console. Binds/Console = cheating, period, as far as many people are concerned.

Poor wrote:

synthetic wrote:For example, I absolutely hate the snipe bind, but I won't harass anyone over using it, whereas DJ helped me disable behindview on server while back.

A shame. Stealth is a key part of Deus Ex. Since leaning was disabled and the first person view is impractical for using stealth in multiplayer, BehindView is the only real way to use stealth tactics in zero aug.

~][FGS][Nobody~ wrote:Actually it is YOUR job to perform this tasks, otherwise you would be redundant for the game.
You could make hax that performs that watchdog task but that would be called cheating.

~[FGS]SaSQuATcH~ wrote:I remember a few years back I saw someone argue in game that med binds and in fact any kinds of binds are cheating because they are 'not part of the true deus ex'. What I think he meant was that when players use binds, they are not playing DX the way it was originally intended for them by the developers, in other words they are performing customizations that would otherwise not be possible through the regular settings. I guess I could agree with that but I have a feeling that one of the signs of players really getting addicted to a game is when they start looking for ways to gain some kind of permanent advantage over other players, an advantage that is not affected by the events of a game. Examples of such advantages would be using binds and different kinds of console commands, configuring settings to benefit performance over quality (high-res vs. low-res), purchasing hardware that improves that performance even further and so on. The point is that I think the permanent players of a multiplayer game will probably always seek advantage over other players because at the end of every match they play some of them will win while others will lose. (Nobody likes to lose! - a great pun) That suggests that the ultimate goal of any player in any game is to win, therefore binds must be fundamentally legal because they are just another way of pursuing advantage over others. But don't we use cheats for the exact same reason? The behindview command is considered legal by many of those who would in the same time reject a wall hack, regardless of the fact that their purposes are identical: spotting the enemy in a way that would be otherwise physically impossible. Where do we draw the borderline between legal binds and illegal cheats? If we are unable to define such borderline, then isn't cheating fundamentally legal? I guess this brings us to a debate on the relationship of government and religion, law and morale, right and wrong, and so on. However, I'm too high to go into that right now.

Epilogue:
If I was a religious man, I would claim that God loves American weed so I wouldn't feel guilty smoking it.

Poor wrote:The med bind and snipe bind could be considered something the devs didn't intend the player to use. The med bind is used by most players and honestly I don't think it gives the player an advantage. The normal way requires a key press followed by a mouse click while the "cheating" way requires a key press with a slower release. The time required is the same either way but the med bind is more likely to fail. The togglebehindview command was not disabled by the developers nor by the creators of DXMTL, ANNA, or miniMTL so I would not consider it a cheat.

Psycho wrote:How is being able to see around corners fair?