The [FGS] Clan

ShadowRunner wrote:can I say in my defence as well please.

Sure, keep repeating the same points all over again until people stop bothering to respond. And I thought debating with Hitman was annoying

5 credits on these arguments continuing until the end of the trial period.

10 credits on me being high, and fuckin' baffled by all of this many metabolic end product.

Completely understandable, I'm not high and this still baffles me.

it's not actually repeating the same point at all but let's not argue.

I worked with DJ on Hengsha, I showed a willingness to forget differences with those FGS members and move on. DJ and I have had problems on Hengsha as far as I know. So just saying, it's not true what is being said. I have been very much part of FGS this year. the competition, UR, Hengsha and members were asking me to join.

If you tell someone they are worse than Hitman, it is not really a conversation. So I have nothing to say.

EDIT except if you want me to wear a T or t in trial, then was it a mistake to apply perhaps? Is there a problem (apart from terrorist hacker worse than hitman)?

Update - I'm beginning to feel this isn't going to stop unless I remain clanless.

You all assumed I would agree with Sonny, I didn't. My reply is clear, I mention two things.

Also some members telling me by pm to argue a case of no trial, or no tag.

It might be good to not assume anything at all about me any more, because assumptions are unnecessary and causing unnecessary behaviour from people. Communication is not going well here between people, mainly because we're all assuming nothing has changed these days.

If any of you had doubts, then where were they before the offer, where was the interrogation? Where was the convincing? I wrongly assumed too you all trusted me and would be happy about me re-applying, because things had changed, until this topic, then it just felt like other people had made me the centre of attention.

The vote is underway, so my point finally got through.

I'm still wearing the tag 100% of the time. So again I think I'm proving I am not a problem to others.

ShadowRunner wrote:If someone tells me to apply, I apply, if someone tells me to argue about the tag/trial, I do. That's all.

Who tells you to argue about trial?

ShadowRunner wrote:I'm being blamed for being surprised at it going from "might" to "not".

Perhaps my english fails here but doesn't 'might' imply a possibility and no promise? (e.g. the subjunctive form)
Thus 'might' was meant in a way to have a chance of 50% to turn into 'yes' and 50% to turn into 'no'. Minding that facts, I'm surprised that you were surprised, tbh..

your questions are reasonable obviously.

Dude, pm are pm, I did send you one, I respect your decision not to reply and have a discussion with me.

Look man, I am not going to argue with you. The honest answer is "might" implies to me that...

FGS would come to me before the decision, show their concerns, ask me to prove that I am not going to steal Krisz's underwear or make Nobody feel old, because the server isnt working properly etc. That would have been reasonable, since as you say, although I see DJ regularly, I had not really spoken to you about FGS. But it sounds like FGS spent two weeks in private discussing 2009 not 2012 and it was a surprise that "might" was "not exactly". Probably I am wrong. The vote was 11, but 2 no voters decided change of tag am I right, or just change of tag comes with trial, probably right.

I think the best bit of proof, is that out of 3 guys, obviously one voted yes. I'm not guessing it's DJ, but if it was, it just shows you that FGS has nothing to fear from me these days, because it's genuinely moving on from the past with Hengsha. So I can't see the big problem or need for all the old bad blood.

My application could have been worded alot better and I could have posted a lot more.
I kept my application short for obvious reasons.

I'm handing Hengsha in about one month after a public test, to two FGS mappers, I trust FGS that much.

I did not answer your PMs for the following reasons:
1. The subject of the first PM was posted on the SPAM forum too.
2. Your suggestion in the second PM was answered in this topic by making the poll about the normal FGS tag.
3. I don't agree with some assumptions in your PMs and I wanted to avoid yet another argument.

OK well you're the boss and I probably dont agree with my pm either. You know better than me. I haven't been in a clan for a long time now.

I posted in the spam, because the topic had been hijacked by a discussion irrelevant to your offer/my reply. My apologies.
Mastakilla would have brought it up I think, but I was trying to distance myself from the irrelevant discussion and stick to getting an answer on the tag. Speaking of which, Masta may have read an unedited post, that then got edited, so his reply if it seemed angry, is excusable, that I may have posted and 10 seconds later, shortened a post, it was my fault.

If you have the patience to wait until tomorrow yet.. then the result of the poll about the clan tag will be notified.

well I was going to ask, isn't playing DXMP better than this?

Better than waiting for the result with absolute dedication for sure!

absolutely right there, my dedication was not absolute, hopefully remaining clanless the whole time goes in my favour

Just a feeling that I need to sit here in case someone posts "Shadowrunner hates Germans" or "Shadowrunner is an AIB trojan horse, sent to crush you" or "Shadowrunner is going to troll me for the rest of my life, I need the Police"

It's unbelievable how arrogant you are. The fact you moan and critisize about the trial, and the tag that comes with it, stating you deserve better for your history with the clan and the fact that you're an ex-leader is obnoxious. You're NOT better then any other person who applied. Yet you're being treated like you are, because people are being extremely patient with you and giving in to your ridiculous demands. The name cut off thing was unfortunate and it seems like the current poll on it suggests you can just play with the normal [FGS] tag. Get over it and give some credit. It's insane how you keep on trying to be a victim of some injustice for some reason.

Or to put it in your words

Shadowrunner is a terrorist hacker