The [FGS] Clan

Can you please tell me why the hell you digged up that again?
All I posted was "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOg0n1Ujx4M", because I don't *loving* care any more, and I'm just having fun. Actually, I was just spamming & being all off topic. I really don't get that you interpret those posts as serious, and about this topic. And I was the clan leader, I currently am not any more, not until I return.

perhaps you cant read...

I am am a human being ... I offered words of reconciliation 3 times to Jon adn you, including an apology...
THEN .... YOU dag it up my friend...as you said, you were SPAMMING!

if you are right and I am wrong and such a whining bitch, then plz RELEASTE THE SOURCE CODE for mm mod and prove me wrong...
otherwise STFU and accept this fact...

I caught an [A] member discussing with Magus and other admins, how to CHEAT on a [T] member using YOUR *loving* MOD ALEX.

So paint what pic u like, but you don't prove to me that you aren't part of the split in the community...and btw u bully noobs... so get lost already...

If I am a moron and whining retard like you say, then how come u dont release the source code. Iz u so perfect? Why should I ever trust you? All u ever did was bash noob clans and noobs. Kinda lame.

Carry on having "fun"... guess u and magus got something in common, you think cheating on those who urine u off is "fun"?

I think this is a fair analysis from the average player's point of view:

http://xpsclan.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=6

ShadowRunner wrote:perhaps you cant read...

I am am a human being ... I offered words of reconciliation 3 times to Jon adn you, including an apology...
THEN .... YOU dag it up my friend...as you said, you were SPAMMING!

No, I didn't? I did not post ontopic, thus nothing to do with the entire issue, and the post I made was 1 day later than your last post, thus, I did not dug it up.

ShadowRunner wrote:if you are right and I am wrong and such a whining bitch, then plz RELEASTE THE SOURCE CODE for mm mod and prove me wrong...
otherwise STFU and accept this fact...

Release the source code for the MM mod? Which *loving* MM mod? =/

ShadowRunner wrote:I caught an [A] member discussing with Magus and other admins, how to CHEAT on a [T] member using YOUR *loving* MOD ALEX.

And...? Did you also catch that same [T] member impost ~20 DX players?

ShadowRunner wrote:So paint what pic u like, but you don't prove to me that you aren't part of the split in the community...and btw u bully noobs... so get lost already...

If I am a moron and whining retard like you say, then how come u dont release the source code. Iz u so perfect? Why should I ever trust you? All u ever did was bash noob clans and noobs. Kinda lame.

Carry on having "fun"... guess u and magus got something in common, you think cheating on those who urine u off is "fun"?

I think this is a fair analysis from the average player's point of view:

http://xpsclan.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?t=6

I really don't get you anymore, you know. I didn't even *loving* post ontopic, because I thought it was time to let this entire issue go. I did not revive the topic, no, I didn't. You did.

As a side note, who the bloody hell are [XPS]?

...there is the link... go find out and ask them yourself. One's US, one's French, one's UK. And btw magus, they are looking for maps. The server is 0-aug, but they are/gonna be using Wep Selector.

Alex - The mod u designed that Jon and Magus discussed using against Spaz. Comprende? And btw Alex, spam goes in the spam section and as you say, this topic is dead... but not on other forums...

looks like another admin abuser exposed

You attempts to get under my skin will fail Alex, and you will just bring more metabolic end product to Jon and DXMS and [A]. It's time you realized..If the topic is dead why are u spamming it? Jon is not here, Magus aint discussing it anymore, only you made this lengthy justification post.

And...? Did you also catch that same [T] member impost ~20 DX players?

Whatever someone has done to you, it is no excuse to act in such a way to edit system files or invite others to do it.

Your metabolic end product with Spaz is your own problem, you are the only one who can solve it. Inviting [FGS]members to get involved in cheating on Spaz is not what we expect from [A]. If you guys were mature enough, you'd let him annoy, gloat, spam the infolink and get on with your game and let HIM ruin his reputation.

English Advice: btw impost is a dead word, we use fake or impersonate, but we do say "imposter" as a noun. Since yr grasp is near perfect, thought that might help.

ShadowRunner wrote:...there is the link... go find out and ask them yourself. One's US, one's French, one's UK. And btw magus, they are looking for maps. The server is 0-aug, but they are/gonna be using Wep Selector.

Alex - The mod u designed that Jon and Magus discussed using against Spaz. Comprende? And btw Alex, spam goes in the spam section and as you say, this topic is dead... but not on other forums...

looks like another admin abuser exposed

You attempts to get under my skin will fail Alex, and you will just bring more metabolic end product to Jon and DXMS and [A]. It's time you realized..If the topic is dead why are u spamming it? Jon is not here, Magus aint discussing it anymore, only you made this lengthy justification post.

As I said, you were the one who made the topic active. My first post after a long while was "How can a post be horseshit? =/ Isn't it usually text?". This was 1 day after your post. Thus I did not revive the subject, I only tried to get this topic entirely offtopic, so you would drop the subject.

ShadowRunner wrote:

And...? Did you also catch that same [T] member impost ~20 DX players?

Whatever someone has done to you, it is no excuse to act in such a way to edit system files or invite others to do it.

I never invited others to edit system files, or do it myself.

ShadowRunner wrote:Your metabolic end product with Spaz is your own problem, you are the only one who can solve it. Inviting [FGS]members to get involved in cheating on Spaz is not what we expect from [A]. If you guys were mature enough, you'd let him annoy, gloat, spam the infolink and get on with your game and let HIM ruin his reputation.

Or we simply finish him off. Quick, simple and clean.

ShadowRunner wrote:English Advice: btw impost is a dead word, we use fake or impersonate, but we do say "imposter" as a noun. Since yr grasp is near perfect, thought that might help.

I'm not here for English class, am I?

Alex this aint about you. I didnt say you invited anyone to anything.

You say I wont drop it, I actually did drop it, and I was working with Jon on a map project called DXMS_Tobruk, then other people such as yourself decided to speak for Jon/Against what I have done by warning [T]. The thread shows no respect, reconciliation, apology or anything from you, but plenty from me.

Finally Jon has imposed a ban on forums and server, without warning, for no reason of playing in the server. Therefore as long as the ban on the server remains, the topic is NOT dead as far as I'm concerned. He imposed the ban I after I commented on the way DXMS is organized.

or we simply finish him off

Why didnt Jon do that in the first place? Shoulda not lowered to Spaz level.

spamming on here is just making me glue myself to this topic and these issues Alex... Your hostility just illustrates the 0-aug community's faults.

You can not respect other players, you should be banned on these forums.
Why are you trying over 3!!! pages to shift the topic Alex? Running scared? Got something to hide. Clearly this topic bothers you. I wonder why lol...

Ok lets go off-topic and remind the newbs here, that you were caught cheating in 2003? was it... You can't hope to win. You did a great thing to make CRD, but I heard that [A] were actually paid money by DejaVu to develop this? mod and then refused to release the code for improvements or changes. Sums your inhuman attitude up, you care more about winning than DX surviving...

ShadowRunner wrote:Alex this aint about you. I didnt say you invited anyone to anything.

You say I wont drop it, I actually did drop it, and I was working with Jon on a map project called DXMS_Tobruk, then other people such as yourself decided to speak for Jon/Against what I have done by warning [T]. The thread shows no respect, reconciliation, apology or anything from you, but plenty from me.

Finally Jon has imposed a ban on forums and server, without warning, for no reason of playing in the server. Therefore as long as the ban on the server remains, the topic is NOT dead as far as I'm concerned. He imposed the ban I after I commented on the way DXMS is organized.

Suits you.

ShadowRunner wrote:

or we simply finish him off

Why didnt Jon do that in the first place? Shoulda not lowered to Spaz level.

spamming on here is just making me glue myself to this topic and these issues Alex... Your hostility just illustrates the 0-aug community's faults.

You can not respect other players, you should be banned on these forums.
Why are you trying over 3!!! pages to shift the topic Alex? Running scared? Got something to hide. Clearly this topic bothers you. I wonder why lol...

If I'm running scared? No. I just don't like this anymore.

ShadowRunner wrote:Ok lets go off-topic and remind the newbs here, that you were caught cheating in 2003? was it... You can't hope to win. You did a great thing to make CRD, but I heard that [A] were actually paid money by DejaVu to develop this?

LOL. [/aol] You believe that? If that was true, then why are DejaVu and me true enemies? (Even before CRD)

ShadowRunner wrote:mod and then refused to release the code for improvements or changes. Sums your inhuman attitude up, you care more about winning than DX surviving...

You obviously have mental problems, if you believe those rumours. I wouldn't be surprised if they were created by either you, or Hitman.

You obviously have mental problems

like I said you cant respect players, you personalize everything and you do your best to upset some ppl... but your best aint good enough my friend.

Nowhere in these 5 pages is any genuine personal remark about you and I;m not about to stoop to your level of personal remarks.

hey alex. are u and A ready to release sources of your precious mods? community and modding which leads to better playing would develop much better with a lot of source code examples.

lately, ive been into gta:sa community for a while and in open ttd community. both of these are extremely modding/moddeling communities with at least half of players being coders or smth similar. its funny to see, how these 2 are sooo much different than dx. ppl share everything, every peace of code they write, hell, one could make a decent mod just by putting some samples together. but what is happening in dxmp?

sr nicely explained on A forums (please if you quote yourself, as i simply cant write it so well).

DejaVu wrote:hey alex. are u and A ready to release sources of your precious mods? community and modding which leads to better playing would develop much better with a lot of source code examples.

lately, ive been into gta:sa community for a while and in open ttd community. both of these are extremely modding/moddeling communities with at least half of players being coders or smth similar. its funny to see, how these 2 are sooo much different than dx. ppl share everything, every peace of code they write, hell, one could make a decent mod just by putting some samples together. but what is happening in dxmp?

sr nicely explained on A forums (please if you quote yourself, as i simply cant write it so well).

SA: MP is a game which does not provide a real game. In DX you have default maps, etcetera. If you load a non-coded map (So, an empty one), you have nothing. You basically MUST make a gametype to host a server (I can know, I played SA: MP aswell, and created a quite big gametype, I was even developer for Las Venturas Playground; got kicked though, I didn't ass-kick the server owner like the rest did).

EDIT: Btw, DejaVu, when will I get my cash for CRD?

@ ALEX
If it is true that Jon and I were misinformed and you later told Jon that it is impossible to edit player system files, then:

1. Why should I believe you? You've been caught cheating and doing other stuff. You are very lucky that Dae is so good and stood by you. Since you don't release the source code, I have no way of knowing if Jon is right, or you are right and I am not prepared to trust the words of a known cheat.

2. How did Jon come to believe he could edit player system files then?

@ ICHOTOLOT
You are my good friend in Deus Ex, you have done so much for me, but I have reached a conclusion...
Icho it says u are admin, unban me or I leave FGS until either u stop hosting DXMS at FGS or I am unbanned on DXMS. FGS is too good for this kind of trouble that Jon wished to attempt. Using an illegal action to perform a ban is truly absurd and hypocritical, especially since it concerned reducing opponents performance.

@ DXMS

You have brought shame to FGS. I witnessed RTK being kicked or banned on dxms and Max say " Sorry it was a joke". All Magus ever did in FGS was grumble about waiting to receive admin rights. All Jon and Max seem to do is lose their temper with anyone who shares a different point of view about the processes within dxms and then without warning, ban them. Also there are issues of banning and kicking during games, without good reason. I'm sick and tired of noobs crying to me and FGS about admin abuse on DXMS.

@ FGS

STEP FORWARDS now, if you believe Jon abuses Ichotolot's good nature and generosity, then step forwards and join me in protest. Post your leaving statement and the conditions that will make you return to FGS. At the very least, plz share your views, either way.

Ichotolot - IMO you shouldn't be hosting a bunch of admins who can't withstand a personal attack from a player, or ignore provocation. Clearly DXMS can not do that. On my server I chose admins carefully, I only chose people who have a clean track record, i.e. they ignore crap when they are attacked in a server.

@JON

Jon, u have split the community into two factions. Those who map for dxms and those who map for everyone. I wish to be a DXMP mapper. reconsider my words that precipated my ban. Even other dxms leaders feel the same way. And Icho, consider that too... There is no point in hosting a server that mappers MUST make a map for, but membership will be revoked if the map doesnt suit Jon's requirements, or if the mappers make the point that they wish their dxms maps to be playable on ANY server. Because Jon is simply making TWICE the work for mappers. And if a dxms map doesnt make it to the server, then he's totally wasted their time, when the map could played and enjoyed on other servers...

Deleting Tobruk was the stupidest and most spiteful thing you have done, even more than banning me for suggesting changes to DXMS mapping policy...

sooner or later Jon will be forced to make dxms maps playable anywhere in the community, or all his mappers and co-leaders will simply leave. He doesn't know when his friends are trying to help...

I added full weps and bots to those dxms maps I made, they are already now hosted on T server, XPS server and others. By mapping for everyone and not just Jon's server, I have immediately improved my situation as a mapper....

if you believe Jon abuses Ichotolot's good nature and generosity, then step forwards and join me in protest. Post your leaving statement and the conditions that will make you return to FGS. At the very least, plz share your views, either way.

I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the DX community. Can't you all just SHUT UP, choose admins that doesn't ban and kick for fun, and go PLAY? This is ridiculous. This is a GAME, made for FUN. Not for making mods for cheating and admin abusing.

I don't feel like leaving FGS because of A abusing admin abilities on DXMS. Either not because they are making mods that mess in .ini's. Sure, make them, just keep them away from normal people.
I will leave if A will order Icho what to do and what mods he should add to ServerPackages.


Views shared.

Kuchcik

Jon's actions and decisions represent hostility and selfishness towards the other faction of the community. Icho, do you really want to be part of that?

A stalinist regime? A society which bans members who suggest we respect all players/mappers/servers, not only our own and its requirements.

It's about *loving* time u made a map playable on another server besides dxms, otherwise you are just splitting the community, especially mappers right down the middle...

I don't think I can add anything to that, except that I agree.