Jock or Mock?
Posted: 21 May 2011, 14:05
Stealth helicopters are trending right now, every defense forum you can find is buzzing with this picture and heated debates.
People are arguing whether this is a fake decoy, a modified Blackhawk MH-60, Sikorsky 2-92 or some new Skunkworks machine, others are simply joking that it is on the way to China in a shipping container as we speak.
Now even when DX was released, the Comanche stealth helicopter was several years old and Jock's helicopter borrows a lot from this design and the F-117, operationally active in the same year that DX was released.
The Comanche proved to be even more expensive and troublesome than the B-2 and F-117 programmes and was cancelled. However in 2006 Sikorsky made a breakthrough in "Low Observable" technology for helicopters and also NASA currently are designing reduced acoustics, using Blackhawks. The idea that "Stealth" Chinooks or CH-47/MH-47's exist is a total joke, as SPF forums put it..." you might as well slap on the loudspeakers and play Ride Of The Valkyrie". The CH-47 is a big, noisy, giant. Stealthing a CH-47 would be like adding alloy wheels to a school bus and calling it a sports car. This leaves one very big problem. Blackhawks can only carry 11 troops, there were 24 initial assault troops, so with one crashed chopper, where do you fit Bin Laden's body, a bunch of intel and 11 hitchhikers? This was initially leading people to believe a new secret chopper exists, so stealthy that it could walk right into Pakistan's Air Defence and leave them blind.
Well after reading 45 pages of pilots, defence experts and aviation enthusiasts arguing, some things definitely do not add up.
It is definitely not a Blackhawk, although whatever helicopter it was, used the same size fuel tanks. But that is not unusual, the F-117 used parts from B-52's, F-15's, F-16's and C-130's to reduce overall expenditure.
This doesn't mean that "SilentHawk" doesn't exist, or that it wasn't used in the raid, but the PHOTO above can not be a MH-60 for multiple technical reasons. Also the official explanation of the crash, that it was hotter than usual and the compound walls causing heat-thinned air to fail in supporting the chopper which then came over the wall and crash landed, is total metabolic crud.
Firstly, go on YT and look at videos of helicopters losing their TAIL rotor. Secondly, why is the drive shaft not twisted, but snapped in half, remember it was doing several thousand revs a minute. Also if you watch "Blackhawk Down", you'll see, it's standard military OP to frag the chopper, remove the IFF codes, destroy anything sensitive. Now what is a little unbelievable is that highly trained Navy Seals bothered to frag half the chopper, but not the other half, only a few feet the other side of the compound wall. Why would the USA deliberately leave "evidence" of new or emerging technology? The suggestion is that a SUTUR attack or hacking took place of Pakistan's Air Defence and for 40 minutes, Pakistan was blind to the intruders. In order to cover this up, attention was drawn to the choppers, not the electronic warfare.
Another thing to remember, America screwed up bigtime with Operation Eagle Claw in Iran and that in Afghanistan they built a mock compound and trained there. Now come on, $60 million helicopter and your test pilot didn't ever have fluctuating weather or figure that the compound walls would cause either "Brownout" or a stall, due to lack of air being fed under the rotors.
Now let's say for a second the crash story is true. Why then would Obama be reported (referring to another issue) as saying "We donated a $60 million helicopter to this operation, don't they have a tape measure?" Air Force MH-60 costs about $6m, Army one costs about double. The most technologically advanced Blackhawk for special operations costs about $28m, with which two helicopters would easily cost $60 with special mission modifications. Funny statement for a guy whose DOD press officers are only confirming the crashed machine was part of the raid, nothing else. Smell a false flag, or are you a Blackhawk fan?
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN AND WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH DEUS EX?
Simple. This hit on Bin man, marks the end of an era and the beginning of a new one.
This operation was a CIA operation. The CIA already fly UAV's and drones and the CIA have been the key weapon against Taliban, by killing high-value targets. What I am saying is, Deus Ex Stealth chopper is already obselete, the CIA is the new Rambo. If they exist, it will never be more than about 20 machines and if you look at the way things are going, Stealth helicopters are unlikely to ever exist. China's spies are working from a desk these days, America's army too, working from a computer screen. Perhaps we will never be able to hide a helicopter at all.
You can see in the photo, the enclosed tail rotor design of Jock's/Comanche helicopters is already obselete. It produces a distinctive sound. Looking at the crash photo, they've obviously improved blade design to stop creating mini-tornadoes. The frisbee disc on top of the blades is probably an anti-RPG shield and has nothing to do with acoustics or stealth at all.
The future will not be Jock's helicopter, but Stealth Balloons and hackers. Until cloaking is invented, being noisy is not being stealthy. Remember how we discovered this raid, Bin man's neighbour was tweeting, complaining about the noisy choppers over his house.
I think at best, the chopper was a modified MH-60, remodified for the raid. Even that I'm unsure about.
According to experts, this artist "Radojovar" has got it 95% correct, missing a couple of tiny modifications.
If the first photo is a real tail rotor, then wow, we've figured how to bend light, because that is SILVER!!! not black.
It makes me wonder about the tilt-rotor B-EE featured in DXHR, which borrows from the MH-22 Osprey, as seen in Half Life.
Perhaps ten years after DXHR, that craft too will be looking obselete or redundant too. Tilt-Rotor does offer a huge advantage in range, but at a price and maintenance record that stinks.
People are arguing whether this is a fake decoy, a modified Blackhawk MH-60, Sikorsky 2-92 or some new Skunkworks machine, others are simply joking that it is on the way to China in a shipping container as we speak.
Now even when DX was released, the Comanche stealth helicopter was several years old and Jock's helicopter borrows a lot from this design and the F-117, operationally active in the same year that DX was released.
The Comanche proved to be even more expensive and troublesome than the B-2 and F-117 programmes and was cancelled. However in 2006 Sikorsky made a breakthrough in "Low Observable" technology for helicopters and also NASA currently are designing reduced acoustics, using Blackhawks. The idea that "Stealth" Chinooks or CH-47/MH-47's exist is a total joke, as SPF forums put it..." you might as well slap on the loudspeakers and play Ride Of The Valkyrie". The CH-47 is a big, noisy, giant. Stealthing a CH-47 would be like adding alloy wheels to a school bus and calling it a sports car. This leaves one very big problem. Blackhawks can only carry 11 troops, there were 24 initial assault troops, so with one crashed chopper, where do you fit Bin Laden's body, a bunch of intel and 11 hitchhikers? This was initially leading people to believe a new secret chopper exists, so stealthy that it could walk right into Pakistan's Air Defence and leave them blind.
Well after reading 45 pages of pilots, defence experts and aviation enthusiasts arguing, some things definitely do not add up.
It is definitely not a Blackhawk, although whatever helicopter it was, used the same size fuel tanks. But that is not unusual, the F-117 used parts from B-52's, F-15's, F-16's and C-130's to reduce overall expenditure.
This doesn't mean that "SilentHawk" doesn't exist, or that it wasn't used in the raid, but the PHOTO above can not be a MH-60 for multiple technical reasons. Also the official explanation of the crash, that it was hotter than usual and the compound walls causing heat-thinned air to fail in supporting the chopper which then came over the wall and crash landed, is total metabolic crud.
Firstly, go on YT and look at videos of helicopters losing their TAIL rotor. Secondly, why is the drive shaft not twisted, but snapped in half, remember it was doing several thousand revs a minute. Also if you watch "Blackhawk Down", you'll see, it's standard military OP to frag the chopper, remove the IFF codes, destroy anything sensitive. Now what is a little unbelievable is that highly trained Navy Seals bothered to frag half the chopper, but not the other half, only a few feet the other side of the compound wall. Why would the USA deliberately leave "evidence" of new or emerging technology? The suggestion is that a SUTUR attack or hacking took place of Pakistan's Air Defence and for 40 minutes, Pakistan was blind to the intruders. In order to cover this up, attention was drawn to the choppers, not the electronic warfare.
Another thing to remember, America screwed up bigtime with Operation Eagle Claw in Iran and that in Afghanistan they built a mock compound and trained there. Now come on, $60 million helicopter and your test pilot didn't ever have fluctuating weather or figure that the compound walls would cause either "Brownout" or a stall, due to lack of air being fed under the rotors.
Now let's say for a second the crash story is true. Why then would Obama be reported (referring to another issue) as saying "We donated a $60 million helicopter to this operation, don't they have a tape measure?" Air Force MH-60 costs about $6m, Army one costs about double. The most technologically advanced Blackhawk for special operations costs about $28m, with which two helicopters would easily cost $60 with special mission modifications. Funny statement for a guy whose DOD press officers are only confirming the crashed machine was part of the raid, nothing else. Smell a false flag, or are you a Blackhawk fan?
WHAT DOES THIS MEAN AND WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH DEUS EX?
Simple. This hit on Bin man, marks the end of an era and the beginning of a new one.
This operation was a CIA operation. The CIA already fly UAV's and drones and the CIA have been the key weapon against Taliban, by killing high-value targets. What I am saying is, Deus Ex Stealth chopper is already obselete, the CIA is the new Rambo. If they exist, it will never be more than about 20 machines and if you look at the way things are going, Stealth helicopters are unlikely to ever exist. China's spies are working from a desk these days, America's army too, working from a computer screen. Perhaps we will never be able to hide a helicopter at all.
You can see in the photo, the enclosed tail rotor design of Jock's/Comanche helicopters is already obselete. It produces a distinctive sound. Looking at the crash photo, they've obviously improved blade design to stop creating mini-tornadoes. The frisbee disc on top of the blades is probably an anti-RPG shield and has nothing to do with acoustics or stealth at all.
The future will not be Jock's helicopter, but Stealth Balloons and hackers. Until cloaking is invented, being noisy is not being stealthy. Remember how we discovered this raid, Bin man's neighbour was tweeting, complaining about the noisy choppers over his house.
I think at best, the chopper was a modified MH-60, remodified for the raid. Even that I'm unsure about.
According to experts, this artist "Radojovar" has got it 95% correct, missing a couple of tiny modifications.
If the first photo is a real tail rotor, then wow, we've figured how to bend light, because that is SILVER!!! not black.
It makes me wonder about the tilt-rotor B-EE featured in DXHR, which borrows from the MH-22 Osprey, as seen in Half Life.
Perhaps ten years after DXHR, that craft too will be looking obselete or redundant too. Tilt-Rotor does offer a huge advantage in range, but at a price and maintenance record that stinks.
