Improper behaviour

[[3]Ste]

Could I please ask you in the name of maturity and fair game to have a word in private to your members about coming into the A!B server using hax and teamkilling. I am in no way pointing fingers at your clan or its members but someone is doing this so I'm basically going to all forums to get the word out and to look for it yourselves as you have servers hosted.

Kind regards

/Ste

[[FGS]Kalman]

I heard someone is using aimbot (maybe it was a joke), he's an A!B member, anyway our clan don't teamkill, there are some annoying guys like Punisher

[ShadowRunner]

anyway our clan don't teamkill

Funny, you don't deny hax but deny teamkill.

Everyone teamkills at some point. In a clan heavy with modders and mappers, not everyone are skilled fighters like AIB. Teamkills do happen. I can't speak about recently, but I've had problems of repetitive teamkilling with one FGS member. So I'm not arguing with you, but your statement is just that little bit too broad perhaps. As for hax well there's one member who does "test" hax in public servers in use. I'll stay out of it, but this issue is one reason I didn't re-apply... yet Mainly because it is not clear to me, not because I have a smoking gun of cheating, but because over the last couple of years I see the preparedness to show the hax off in public servers by that person from time to time. I'm hoping this was a thing of the past and Ste is seeing aliasers and IP's don't match.

[[FGS]Kalman]

OK, then our clan don't hax or teamkill
Teamkilling could happen sometimes e.g. you shot your teammate with gep gun or law accidentally
Anyway, I never saw any hax in dx, I'm not sure it's possible

[ShadowRunner]

My original post was a bit strong and I didn't mean to start any arguments, but Ste's post doesn't surprise me.

About Hax, not sure what you mean exactly, but I've seen in server Lionheart, DJ, Vincent McDoom, Redgreazel, all do things that I would call hax. I didn't say any of them were trying to cheat, but I've seen them do it, for example Nobody haxed Deja's server to prove a point when Deja stole miniMTL and finished it. So again it is a very broad statement to say FGS don't hax public servers.

A member called FGS a coding clan. It's the coding clan that is getting accused, not the fight clans. Go figure. Unless this is a case of aliasing, I sympathize with Ste. While Nobody was a rare case in point, I feel other people "testing" hax in public server is part of the reason I left. Until I met Lionheart I didn't know it was possible.

Perhaps I am naive, but people are always looking for an advantage and lesser forms of annoyance like bugging and some unholy tweaking is rife. I've heard stories about Phantom and Valex in the past spreading information. Any kind of demonstration is against the common interest and easy to hate. We think we're being clever, but it's going to bite us in the butt.

Anyway I spoke too soon and I will stay out of it until facts are established and FGS and AIB work this out.

[Alexander]

Sorry, but you talk about Lionheart? He returned to Deus Ex? Or do you speak of several years ago?

[ShadowRunner]

Can't tell you if he returned, but yes this was several years ago. Just saying actual hax in server can exist. I kind of regret my response, since no details have been established, Kalman is perfectly entitled to defend his clan.

I didn't mean to sound argumentative to you Kalman, just no clan is entirely perfect, but it seems maybe there is no actual person Ste has in mind, I'm not sure:

http://thc.b1.jcink.com/index.php?showt ... entry15251

[[3]Ste]

We have been researching this all afternoon and have obviously been able to narrow it down. There's not much I can say without spoiling the surprise.

I do apologise for bringing this onto your forums, It was simply an aid to be on the watch for unjust gameplay.

This morning we didn't have a clue who was doing it, Which is why I posted on every active clans forums about it. Now we have a much clearer idea and as stated above it will be brought out very shortly.

[Psycho]

The person we know for a 100% fact that has been gaying/bugging in our server is a respected member of the community, and will soley deny it, however we know the truth, and have sufficent evidence.

[Kaiden]

I doubt Lion is around. If you're not using CRDM and Nephthys mod then having exploiters is your own fault.

[chin.democ.]

Sorry couldn't resist!

[ShadowRunner]

ok here goes nothing...

@ Mr FGS Cheater
Why don't you just resign now, people would respect your honesty if you came clean. It's obvious that Ste has proof, otherwise he wouldn't risk another accusation of being a troll. If you wait until Ste splatters logs everywhere, you're not going to get any respect at all from anyone. The best thing you can do is realize you have shamed your clan more than once with cheating and upsetting other clans. Your days in FGS are over.

It matters not what you have done in the past. What matters now, is what you do from here on forwards. You can still control that. You can't control the past mistakes, but you can still exit with dignity. I'm offering you the opportunity to earn a tiny bit of respect from the community by leaving now, rather than having me tear this place apart to have you removed. As long as you're a member, I and others will tear FGS apart, until you're gone. If you have any respect for FGS and for yourself, you'll leave now. It's better you leave with some respect than none at all. You've done enough damage, just go now.

@ The person/s who recruited this little metabolic end product
I suggest our differences are completely over now. I hope you realize why I distanced myself from the clan now, I've known for some time that he was cheating and also that he could not be trusted right now either. I hope you realize why I'll be proud to be putting on the tag again and hoping for my privileges back. Before you think about reminding me about the recruitment process or asking me to re-apply, remind yourself who recruited, trained and protected him from EDH complaints, while I was absent. If you want to wait for whatever proof Ste must have, then so be it, but I think it's pretty obvious the game is over for him and should be pretty obvious why I didn't re-apply at Christmas.

@ Wannabe scriptkiddies
Look and learn. Don't cheat in public servers. Use your time more wisely.

[[FGS]Kalman]

Rollo, you should write a book about it
Everything what u wrote made me curious

[Alexander]

I doubt Lion is around. If you're not using CRDM and Nephthys mod then having exploiters is your own fault.

I actually don't suggest using CRDM anymore, yet switching to ANNA, as it does more extensive checks.

[[3]Ste]

As Psycho said above the main guy we have information and undeniable proof on, is a respected member of this community. I wouldn't have thought this guy would have cheated because he seems to have morals but recently we have learned that hes about as 2 faced as its possible to get.

If I think back it makes a certain amount of sense, for me personally in order to make the leap from being good to really good there is a psychological barrier you must pass in order to kill the better players. This guy in my opinion made that leap very quickly.

Shadow is quite correct, I wouldn't risk another "Ste is a troll" because I wear my heart on my sleeve and If I see something I feel is extraordinary I will voice my opinion. It's done me no good in the past but I still feel I was correct about a large number of my accusations.

It feels great to know that all Psycho and Shades hard work will come to fruition. They have done the work, I am mearly a voice.

A known guy is about to get owned with proof

We have a further 3 guys we have information on also, again with proof.